Editor's Note: This is a partial transcript of an interview given by Niels Harrit of 9/11 Freefall which contains additional material that would be worth listening to. Transcribed and lightly edited for clarity by Wayne Coste, PE.
Andy Steele: We're talking about the paper you (Niels Harrit) co-authored about the red-gray chips found in the World Trade Center dust. Pretending that you're talking to somebody who has only the most basic chemistry education and you've only got a few minutes to do it, what are the findings of the paper – what is the “meat and potatoes” of what you presented in those pages?
Niels Harrit: Well, you can’t do that in three minutes. When I'm doing a presentation it usually takes two hours to bring a completely uninitiated person, with no knowledge of chemistry, to the point of having an understanding of the coherent collapse scenario of the World Trade Center. Richard Gage (Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth) probably takes the same amount of time.
At the time the paper was published, we did not know where the nano thermite might fit into that collapse scenario. It wasn’t until 2011 I really got the point.
The Thermite Reaction
Thermite is an old invention. The chemical reaction was published for the first time in 1893 by a German chemist named Hans Goldschmidt, who discovered that when you mix aluminum powder and pulverized rust (let us call it that) you can make them react – and the reaction is extremely violent and can reach temperatures of 2,500 degrees centigrade (4,500 degrees F). It's about 1000 degrees centigrade beyond the melting point of iron and steel – and it produces molten iron in the process – at extreme high temperature. It's very useful reaction because it produces molten iron so that it could be used for welding. It was patented for this application by 1898.
But it can also be used for destruction.
But as an incendiary it acts by means of heat – while an explosive acts by means of force. An explosive knocks things apart, but incendiary burns it. It is not a fire, but it is very, very hot.
I said that the old time thermite, the Hans Goldschmidt thermite, is made by mixing the ingredients pulverized aluminum and pulverized rust as two powders. Then nano-technology came along in the 1980’s (late eighty's; early ninety's) which is a completely different way of making materials. You do not make things from the top down – you make the materials from the bottom up. You trick the chemistry to make the materials “atom-by-atom” or “molecule-by-molecule.”
Bottom up. It's a fundamentally different way of making materials – nanotechnology. In this case, it means that the ingredients, the particles (which in this case are iron oxide/rust and aluminum) are much s2r and they are embedded in a plastic matrix which makes them much, much easier to handle.
But you still have the energy. Now I have to talk about energy because the thermite reaction has lots of energy, but it's very slow compared with explosives.
Many people think that explosives are very energetic, but they are not. Rather, they are extremely fast.
I mean you get more energy out of burning a log of wood – but it takes hours. But if you blow the same energy in microseconds, you get the explosive effect. So explosives are very, very fast. Old-time thermite is very slow, but has a lot of energy.
"Tuning" Thermitic Materials
With nanotechnology, you could take advantage of the high energy content of the thermite reaction and gain the speed of the explosive because the ingredients, the particles, are so small. Nanotechnology puts you in a position where you can "tune" the material, which we now call energetic materials. You can tune it on a scale from incendiary to explosive – and in between you have something like rocket fuel.
Rocket fuel is also very energetic. It is faster than an incendiary but it's not as fast as an explosive. If it was faster, the rocket would blow up. A rocket fuel should release the gas with high speed but not too high of a speed (too fast and the rocket will explode). The gas that is released from the rocket fuel and explosives can do work. It can take things apart or it can lift the rocket.
So this is the situation in the 1990’s when the military discovered this opportunity for using the energy in the thermite reaction to do work. You can make explosives from the thermite reaction, and you can make rocket fuel. You can "tune" the thing.
Nano thermite: Explosive or Highly Energetic
Many people have called the nano thermite we found called it militarily grade explosive. I disagree.
We don't know that it was a military grade explosive. and I don't believe it was.
An independent researcher, Mark Basile, made a recording of a reacting nano chip on the microscope. You can see how it swells – how a gas is being evolved but it's not explosive. It's more like a rocket fuel.
So for a long time I couldn't make things fit together. Another independent discovery was the sulfidation of the steel which did not fit into the nano thermite either. We could not account for that. There was no sulfur in the nano thermite chips we investigated. But as you know, you can add sulfur to the thermite reaction and get thermate which is very well fitted for cutting through steel beams.
And also you had the discovery of the iron spheres in the dust. Huge quantities.
Propellant Does "Work" (Force times Distance)
You could watch on television how the steel beams and the girders were being hurled out from the Twin Towers, so "work" (in physics, work is defined as applied force multiplied by distance) was being done. Explosives can do work, they can move things around.
It wasn't until David Chandler did his video called “Smoking Gun” about the South Tower collapsing, where he took a close look at the fragments being thrown out from the Twin Towers, and then suddenly everything fell into place.
Because when you have the thermite reaction, I said you form elemental iron, but you also form aluminum oxide, and that appears white when suspended in air. If you ignite a thermite reaction on the floor in the laboratory you see a little white cloud over the reaction. It is aluminum oxide, and it is white.
And Chandler, brilliantly, took a closer look at the fragments coming out of the South Tower. He noted that there were fragments that were accelerating faster than freefall. And there were fragments which changed trajectory – suddenly – where they were making a 90 degree turn and they were wiggling. They were not falling, actually.
Coherent Collapse Scenario
So a coherent collapse scenario for World Trade Center requires three energetic materials. Explosives are being used, obviously. We don't know the chemical composition of these explosives – they could be conventional, what we call molecular explosives, or they could be thermitic. We don't know that.
Also you see steel beams being cut and this is being done by thermate, and Jonathan Barnet's work has proven unambiguously that thermite was used cut the steel beams.
The third energetic material, this is what I believe – it is a hypothesis, but it fits nicely – is that the nano thermite served for blowing the steel beams and the girders out of the Twin Towers. This is because every fragment that you’re seeing thrown out from the Twin Towers draws after it a completely homogenous white smoke trail.
Now what is that? Is that concrete? No! You know if you if you throw out a piece of concrete through a window, it would not trace a white smoke trail. Is it wallboard? No!
There's a chemical reaction going on – the smoke is white. My claim was that this is aluminum oxide – and I presented that at the Toronto hearings in 2011. I took a chance, I must admit that I held my breath and I took a chance. But then David Chandler went back to home and actually traced some of the fragments and discovered that they are moving faster than freefall. One of the fragments coming out of the South Tower is accelerating to the ground at 11 meters per second squared. This is faster than freefall, and this is only possible if there is a driving force of thrust adding to gravity.
I'm showing Chandler's videos of the North Tower and the South Tower in my presentation – I've seen it probably a 1000 times and I'm still in awe by the scenario, because once you've seen it is so obvious what is happening. You know the canopy of debris / the mushroom cloud – it’s white. Think about it the next time you see it. It's completely ridiculous. What I mean by ridiculous is that this is the scenario that has been watched by billions of people, billions of times, all over the world again and again and again. And nobody sees what they see, which is the key obstacle to actually seeing what you see.
David Chandler Videos
Rockets at the World Trade Center: Some of the debris from the South Tower at the World Trade Center shot downward faster than gravity. This is literal, visible proof of explosive materials painted onto perimeter wall units.
South Tower: Exploding Projectile: A close-up view of debris being ejected from the South Tower of the World Trade Center as the 30-floor top section falls to the east. It shows numerous smoking projectiles that look like comets. Several of them can be seen to explode. One such exploding projectile is followed here. It ejects two fragments, both of which undergo secondary explosions. (Note, the rising fragment to the left of the projectile under consideration appears to be a tumbling object that alternates from black to white to invisible. It passes behind one of the fragments described in the video.)
South Tower Smoking Guns: This video narrates a collection of diverse phenomena in the debris cloud of the South Tower that point to explosive demolition. Particularly notable is one projectile (which I have not seen discussed previously) that is shooting to the east, then stops midair, then turns a sharp corner and shoots straight down trailing white smoke. White smoke is characteristic of aluminum oxide which is a byproduct of the thermite reaction.
South Tower Smoking Guns (Follow-up): After finding the projectile that turns a sharp corner while trailing white smoke, I looked for it in other videos and found it in several. The clearest is from a camera with a very similar perspective to the first, but in this video the trail can be followed to the bottom of the collapse. Here I explore the significance of this find.
North Tower Exploding: This is a narration of a video clip of the North Tower of the World Trade Center which focuses on explosive ejections progressing in waves down the faces of the building under the canopy of falling debris. Observation is the foundation of science.
Outreach is Getting Easier
Andy: Do you feel that the environment has gotten better or worse in the general public – not the media or the government – but in the general public being more open minded to this issue?
Niels: It is getting better. We’ve been doing quite a bit of street activism – you know, passing out flyers. When I'm giving a presentation we usually go out and pass out flyers. Years ago people, as you said, would be angry and yell at you, and call you things. Now they politely say they are interested and say, “oh” and “thank you.” It has changed.
But I think that is a general pattern because nobody trusts authority anymore. It's cracking. We’ve been through deceptions so many times that they’re quite open, they don't even pretend. They don't make excuses for invading Vennezuela anymore – they just do it. I mean they've given up trying to fool people, so I think this is a general trend.
Here in Europe we have social movements. You have may heard about the Yellow Vests. You may have heard about Brexit. You made a heard about a German protest party – we're having elections for the European Union here this Sunday – people don't trust the authorities, the powers, so much anymore. They can feel this – not something consciously – they can just feel it.
And I think 9/11 goes along with that. We can take our share, in all modesty, for this change. It was bound to happen. And it has gotten big.
Importance of Educating the Public about the Basics of 9/11
Andy: I think, for a lot of people, 9/11 truth started the distrust ... Our last question to you today is: We are 10 years out from when you wrote that paper, and here we are in 2019. As a leader in the truth movement, what do you think we should be doing to educate the public and keep us on that track?
Niels: In terms of documentation, in terms of exposing the narrative, we have won. I mean we're through. There's nothing left from an academic point of view to prove. So what is going on now: Architects and Engineers is doing a lawsuit that is absolutely perfectly fitting and I think the report by Leroy Hulsey will probably also add some momentum.
It's more important now to inform people about the basics that the official narrative is wrong and – also please notice one thing – I don't know what it is like in America, but around here the concept of False Flag is now common language. This was not the situation to just 2 years ago or 3 years ago. That's a big thing. Everybody now knows what a false flag is. Also because of Syria. They didn't know it three years ago.
I don't know what it is like in America, but here they're waiting for the pulling a false flag on Iran – they would probably shoot down some airliner. But they can't do it in anymore. Everybody would cry out and say false flag. Could you imagine that the false flag could be something nuclear – but Iran does not have been nuclear weapons, and neither does Venezuela. So what can they come up with next?
Andy: Yes. You even he have mainstream joke publications making fun of the presidential advisor now John Bolton doing false flags on himself – so even when you have the mainstream joke publications doing that it’s a good sign they don't trust what's going on either.
So now we've done our job in that respect. We’ll keep doing our job until we have the final victory, which is full acknowledgment of what happened on 9/11 so that everybody knows, and the children learn the truth from the history books. That day will come.
Niels: It’s going to be in my lifetime and I'm an old man.